yea i got the same letter saying i owe 80 (last month and this month's rent) or else they will come take my fence. Ugh, I don't want them to take my fence, i don't want to start over with a new company due to having to pay deposit fees and in the begining i got quotes from all companies allowed on post and bella was the cheapest so we went with them but this is not fun not knowing what to do. To pay or not to pay that is the question!!!
I called Erin's office today and some guy answered and he said that we had to pay and that Erin should of never told us not to pay that she does not have that kind of athority. I am so sick and tired of this. I called one time before they said to call jag which I did me no good seeing as how I am not military. This is just a load of crap all they way around!!!
I called sunflower today and they have also said that if you have moved or gotten rid of your fence and they dont have it they will be coming after everyone for the materials even though Erin told us all it was ours and even though they left everyone at that time with no way to have them remove them. I didnt even want to listen to her she talked to me as if i was a child saying people own more then one company all the time and that the IRS only took things belonging to "bella". Whatever I ended up hanging up because the woman made no sense at all. They can come take my fence if they want I would rather not even deal with them at all.
They were seized by the IRS, plain and simple, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ASSETS! They can't be charging people for assets that don't belong to them! I don't think anyone should be giving these people money period and it makes me sick that the situation isn't being handled better, there's no reason in the world why everyone should be so lost in this.
What I mean is the IRS should be handling this better, they should have sent out letters to everyone explaining that they were seized and giving you instructions as to what to do.
Another thought fo you, maybe erin is full of it.I called 6 times yesterday to talk to "Erin" and was finally told by the guy who answers the phone that she has no information and reffered me to the 1st ID facebook page and gave me the # to JAG. I think Erin ran at the mouth, gave legal advice she wasnt quallified to give and has created a mass histeria.yes bella/sunflower owed taxes, yes they where taken care of, yes they do have a liscence to operate a buisness,and yes they have the right to do so on post. pay your bills and move on people, its the companys issue not yours. however you dont pay your bills it will become your soilders issue when it gets sent to there comand, think about it.
Thats funny cuz my husbands command ( his master sgt.) had Bella too and they too arnt paying. So Im not really worried about his "unit" getting mad at him. They all know the reason we refuse to pay.Who do you think is giving him the time to talk to Junction police and IG? If the taxes where paid off then they wouldn't have been seized in the first place. If they were taken care of they wouldn't have had all there assets auctioned off. If it was just Erin giving crappy info then Picerne and depending on the day Jag wouldn't have said the same things. Also the Deputy Sheriffs office wouldnt have said the same thing. Think about that.
okay so here is what i decided to do... just because i am SICK of this issue.
i am going to pay by check and keep all my documentation. If they are truely operating out of the old Bella building such as the newest bill states, they must have resolved all issues with KDOR otherwise they wouldn't have access to the building. Don't get me wrong, I am skeptical as well, but I am totally sick to death of this stupid fence issue and am also ready to move on and eliminate this stress. I have too many other things to be worried about. :)
I am having them come get their crappy fence that isn't installed the correct way and going through one accord. If they are a legit business then IMO they would of had a legal letter from their lawyers sent out to each and every customer. I at first was going to continue to pay them, until I spoke to a lawyer back home. I was advised to get as far away from these people as I can!!
my coments where based as of this date. I called the Geary county sherif and was told they do have a legal buisness. I called the small buisness asociation and they said they are a legit current buisness. there tax debt obviousely is handled or they would not be operating there buisness out of the same location.( an asset, which some are saying was auctioned off) companys change there name go bankrupt and ow taxes everyday.Jag say they are a legit buisness and still allows them to operate there buisness on post. as for piscern they have never had a thing to say about it to me, when I asked or on the first ID page. I think this mass histeria is rediculouse and there is a reason Miss Erin is not taking anyones phone calls anymore and wrote that leter to JAG. she has washed her hands of the mess she created because she had no buisness giving advice in the first place. ultimately there your bills and credit do what you will.
When this first started, we asked picernce and they said not to pay....new info came out and they still said not to pay...we called them the other day and they said they cant comment. Whatevs though i dont want to support their business with my money. They can come get their fence and i'll be glad to pay someone else who actually pays their taxes and are legal and not crooked jackholes!
There is no issue on if they now have a business. The secretary of state said they had a Sunflower fence on record. The issue is weather or not they bought Bellas contracts. We have heard an all around no on this one. We were told a while back that an employee bought the business so if thats the case whos to say that the same employee didnt buy the office back then get reimbursed from this Dave Jones guy? We have asked to see the bill of sale ( a lawyer told us it was our right to see it ) and they would not produce it. If they had a lawyer why isnt the letter from him stating that they bought the business. If they could prove that I think many of us would feel better about paying them. But they wont and/or cant. And how is it that Erin had no right to say anything like that when she would know best on what was seized since she was the one who seized them ( Im not understanding this part... is there something you know or understand that we dont)?
In the letter that looks fake anyways he ( meaning Dave Jones) stated that they SOLD Bella fence to Sunflower( the letter they sent out to everyone not the letter they gave to Jag). Therefore they would have a bill of sale. We just finished our meeting with Geary County Sherrifs office and they are turning all the bills etc that we have received over to the attorney for the state ( i forget the name) because he said that they cannot come get the fence we do not owe and they will be trying to get us something that states that as soon as he can get that stuff over to them. He also stated that they would be taking care of all this Bella/Sunflower scam that's going on. And if they are to come on our property to call the MP's and hit them with trespassing charges. So you and I are getting totally different info.
This is what I think..... No matter what happend with Bella WE meaning all the people with these fences in our yards are not owed a darn thing, fences included. We owe our bills. We had these fences in our yards and if this hadn't happend we would be paying our bills. I don't think its any of our business why or how it become that Bella was seized, that is their business. This he said she said crap is just that crap. Obviously if they were not a ligitimate company they would not be reopening their business in the same building. If the people on here had a little common sence they would know this. They also would have never post in the newspaper for all of us including any state authorities to see what was going on. They are not trying to get money out of us that we don't owe or would have owed had this not all happend. I think that people that should have kept their mouths closed where it needed to be should have done just that. Obviously legal has stated that we should pay our bills and with that being said im sure they are looking out for our best interest. Yes I think it has been a big roller coaster for all of us including bella/ sunflower but I think the worst of it has come from people thinking they are owed something they are not owed. I am aware that some people on here are just as confused as I have been and just want answers but there are others on here who think the world is owed to them, Take it how you will. This is just my opinion on it. I don't think its a crappy business, I think that they, bella/ sunflower did what they thought was best for their families, the same way we all would have reacted had we been put in the same situation.
I don't feel I am owed anything, however when the first mention of the seizure by the IRS was made public we were all told to contact Erin at the IRS...... Upon doing just that, we were told that we were not to pay and in my case she herself made the first mention of "Fraud" on Sunflowers part.
Your right, had none of this happened I would continue to pay my bill, and would have done so for the past 2 months. However I was following advice by IRS representatives, and at the very beginning Picerne and even JAG (Who when all of this started was saying do not pay, their stand has changed since then). Those were 3 various agencies telling us not to pay, to one, very suspicious business telling us to pay.
You are right, I am very confused and frustrated, and that alone has probably made me a biter person towards the entire situation. Seeing as I had to deal with all this crap beginning on my vacation 800 miles away. That set the tone obviously, but the conflicting information being put out is also frustrating.
My comments as far as can we go after Erin are not for monetary reasons, rather I would like to see some sort of action taken by the IRS toward her. Had she not started the ball rolling with the "You don't need to pay" there would not have even been a mass hysteria or problem to begin with.
I am aware that some people on here are just as confused as I have been and just want answers
i still think we should have a town hall with everyone involved (garrison, picerne, legal, bella/sunflower, and KDOR) so that the rumors can be put to rest and straight answers can be given. then i think it should be printed in the post news paper as well as the surrounding area papers so that the public can have a straight story. I personally think everyone involved has really dropped the ball on this one - bella/sunflower wouldn't be having the issues getting payment from people if they hadn't broken trust by changing names and presenting themselves as a seperate entity when infact they are owned by the same ppl. Not saying that sunflower is/isn't a legit company. who could tell. I do however believe that is why many have issues paying. No one wants to get taken for their money... the post commander should have gotten on the stick and ensured that the residents were given accurate info and given a clear, truthful, statement about what we should do. Legal can't get it together - that is obvious from their FB page and i personally went in and talked ot them about it. All i got is a lawyer reading me the papers i was sent. I know what they say. I dont' want a free anything - I want to pay my bill every month like I always have and be happy, but i don't want to be just randomly handing ppl money. The whole situtaion is annoying if you ask me.
Even if sunflower is a legit business, was anyone contacted to let them know that sunflower took over bella and that you needed to sign new contracts with this new business? I don't see how anyone can owe this "new business" any money without filing the proper paperwork.
When I stated That people should have kept their mouths shut I was refering to The certain person that was mentioned aboved with the KDOR. I think Everyone who was told not to pay were told just that, but a person without a law degree shouldn't have been giving any legal advice in the first place. As for the same people opening a business under a new name. Believe it or not it happends everyday. It just happends to be put in our faces to see it. With the economy the way it is right now, and them oweing so much in bacck taxes, im not surprised for even a second. So many small businesses are being put in the worst of situations including this one. It dosnt make them a bad or non- legit compant, it just means they were strugling a bit. As I said before had we been put in the same situation as Bella we may have made the same decisions as to what the best would be for our own families. I have talked with sunflower and they are too just as frustrated as we are becasue of the drama from it all. I do think everyone needs to get together and get with the same story rather then confusing all who are involved.
I don't believe that the issue is whether or not they are a legit business. The issue is whether or not they bought the contracts from Bella. Even they cant get there story straight. In the letter to Jag they state that they transferred there contracts to Sunflower. In the one we all received with this new lease it says they sold it to Sunflower. If they did sell it and it is the same people its considered tax evasion because they have 30 days to report and pay taxes on the sale and they did not. They would have had to pay all of Bellas back taxes. So I do believe the Sheriffs office and IRS. Even more so when the Attorney General is getting involved. I have no issue paying if they really do own the contracts. But I work damn hard for my money and wont give it to just anyone. Until we receive notification from the Attorney General that we owe I am not paying and will be calling the police if they try to touch my fence. If it turns out that we do owe I will pay what we owe. We have no debt or anything on our credit and don't want this on there either but I will not pay someone who we do not owe. As of now we do not owe them per the Sheriffs office, IRS, Picerne and depends on who you talk to at Jag.
As far as for the sheriff's office they are just now getting involved that is new and they will investigate what they have to, As for picerne from the start they themselves have told me that they have nothing to do with it and will not give advice, and as for the legal office, they have just not been on the same page with each other. I talked to legal this morning and they said that they are standing by the statement they posted on the 25th. We are to pay our bills and such. You do what you feel is right for you guys but as far as i see it there is no reason why i would not be paying the bill that I so obviously owe.
Oh and if you reread what was stated on the new lease agreement that we were sent, it does not state that it was sold to them, it states that they aquired all residential and commercial fence rental and lease accounts! Key Word ACQUIRED!!! Definition meaning to buy or obtain.